1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:11,140 (Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Welcome to Mind the Globe, the podcast where we dive into some of today's most pressing global challenges. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:21,180 We are a team of seven international students from the Junior Research Lab at Institut Agro Montpellier, here to explore the issues that shape our world and our future. 3 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:42,880 Hello listeners and welcome to Mind the Globe, Junior Research Talk, the podcast where we explore the big challenges shaping our planet and the innovative solutions that could help us move forward. 4 00:00:43,660 --> 00:00:46,840 I'm Fereshteh and I'm thrilled to have you join me today. 5 00:00:48,180 --> 00:01:03,580 A little about me, I'm studying Environmental Protection and Agricultural Food Production at Hohenheim University in Germany and I'm currently on a mobility programme at Institut Agro in Montpellier, France. 6 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:12,560 This podcast is my way of sharing ideas, challenges and opportunities I've encountered during my studies. 7 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,900 Today, we'll dive into one of the most urgent topics of our time, climate change. 8 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:25,040 It's not just about weather, it's about systems that sustain life on Earth. 9 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,360 How do we respond to this challenge? 10 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:31,840 How do we plan for a future that is fair and sustainable? 11 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,220 But before we dive in, let me share a thought with you. 12 00:01:37,660 --> 00:01:45,860 We live on a planet called Earth, a planet rich with resources that have sustained life for millions of years. 13 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:51,720 At some point in our history, we created a concept of money. 14 00:01:51,720 --> 00:02:00,420 By using Earth's resources, we built economies and imagined a better future for the next generations. 15 00:02:01,220 --> 00:02:08,900 However, along the way, some individuals realised that fear could also be a tool to generate power and wealth. 16 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,360 Stories began to spread. 17 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:22,060 Stories of looming catastrophe, tales of people who claimed to know the future and warned that the world could end at any moment. 18 00:02:23,140 --> 00:02:36,620 Over time, many people lost trust in these voices and instead focused on earning as much as possible, consuming the planet's resources with a little thought for the consequences. 19 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,880 But here's the truth. 20 00:02:39,820 --> 00:02:42,480 This way of living cannot continue. 21 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:49,140 We reached a tipping point where the cause of inactions are too great to ignore. 22 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:57,500 The question now is not whether we can continue this path, it's how we can chart a new one. 23 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:06,900 To help us explore these questions, we're joined by Dr. Denis Lacroix, a leading researcher in marine renewable energy and foresight studies. 24 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,980 His work shows how trust, planning and collaboration can guide us towards a better future. 25 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,640 Let's start by hearing about Dr. Lacroix's background and journey into this important work. 26 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Well, thank you very much for inviting me. 27 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:32,080 I'm initially an engineer in agronomy and then I had a master in economics and a PhD in animal sciences. 28 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:42,020 I did my national service in tropical aquaculture in the French Polynesia, in the Pacific Ocean. 29 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:49,220 And I found it very interesting, so I worked during three decades into these fields. 30 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:52,520 Then I had to work into international cooperation. 31 00:03:53,260 --> 00:04:14,160 And in 2006, the president of my institute, the French National Research Institute for Sea, asked me a special request in order to create a foresight structure, in order to face different requests from our ministries. 32 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:23,080 And the first one was about the potential of marine renewable energies for the two decades to come. 33 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,080 That was the initial work in this field of foresight. 34 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,160 Climate change is one of the greatest challenges humanity has ever faced. 35 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:44,380 It's caused by human activities like burning fossil fuels and deforestation, which release gases like carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. 36 00:04:45,320 --> 00:05:00,700 This has already caused the Earth's temperature to raise by over one degree Celsius since pre-industrial times, leading to more frequent and severe natural disasters like hurricanes, wildfires and floods. 37 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,700 But this isn't just an environmental issue. 38 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:09,120 It's deeply tied into global inequality. 39 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:18,720 Vulnerable populations in low-income and coastal areas are hit hardest, often lacking the resources to adapt. 40 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:23,720 These impacts are already visible and growing worse. 41 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:26,940 The key question is, how do we respond? 42 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,000 The choice we make in the next two decades will define the planet's future. 43 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Scientists have modelled multiple scenarios, some optimistic, other catastrophic. 44 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:56,460 For example, limiting warming to below 2 degrees Celsius could significantly reduce risk of extreme weather, while doing nothing could lead to a rise of over 4 degrees Celsius, resulting in widespread ecological collapse. 45 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,380 This is where foresight comes in. 46 00:05:59,380 --> 00:06:04,780 It's about imagining different futures and preparing for them. 47 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,820 Our guest explains why this kind of planning is so important. 48 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:31,800 Actually, foresight is a way to shape possible futures in order to enlighten decision makers and help them to select which could be the best decision to take in order to go to a desirable future, whatever the topic they are working on. 49 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:47,260 It's a way to also create synergies between different stakeholders, because most of the time the issues which are raised are very complex and involve a lot of people. 50 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:56,620 So, foresight is a way to create dialogue and the building of a common consensus. 51 00:06:57,740 --> 00:07:00,340 Foresight isn't just a tool for government. 52 00:07:01,420 --> 00:07:07,600 It's also crucial in industries like energy, agriculture, and urban planning. 53 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:20,900 For example, foresight studies have helped Egypt adapt its agriculture to raising temperatures by promoting heat-resistant crops and more effective irrigation. 54 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:31,440 In cities like Rotterdam, foresight has been used to design flood management systems that protect homes, businesses, and critical infrastructure. 55 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:33,740 The lesson here is clear. 56 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:41,040 Planning ahead can save lives, reduce costs, and create a more resilient future. 57 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,180 While foresight helps us plan for the future, we also need to understand the present. 58 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,580 And that's where scientific perspectivism comes in. 59 00:07:52,660 --> 00:07:59,820 It's the idea that no single perspective can fully explain a complex issue like climate change. 60 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,060 Take climate science, for example. 61 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:11,280 Global climate models are incredibly powerful, but they can miss the local context. 62 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Farmers, fishers, and indigenous communities bring a level of understanding that can complement the model. 63 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:31,940 For example, they often notice changes in ecosystems, like shifting fish populations or changing rainfall patterns, long before scientists collect the data. 64 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:42,600 By combining these perspectives, we can create solutions that are both grounded in data and sensitive to the needs of local communities. 65 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:55,400 One example is urban planning in New York, where flood barriers were designed using both scientific data and feedback from residents in vulnerable neighbourhoods. 66 00:08:56,270 --> 00:09:01,500 Our guest shares how he applies this approach in marine renewable energy projects. 67 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:08,060 Well, you have several technologies that you can use at sea. 68 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:13,720 You have assets and drawbacks for each of them. 69 00:09:14,340 --> 00:09:31,420 You have a lot of positions coming from decision makers from the political point of view, and also people who are coming from the technology, people who are working on the coast, and different interests. 70 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:47,480 So the most difficult thing is to try to establish a dialogue between all these people and to build a project that could fit with the expectations of the different stakeholders. 71 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:59,740 My key point of view is the fact that most of the time, these stakeholders are not enemies, but they should be partners. 72 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:24,660 But most of the time, the way it is organised and the position of the different parties leads most of the time to conflicts, instead of having a common research of a project which could answer to the different expectations of all these stakeholders. 73 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:36,280 And the building of this dialogue, the building of a long-term cooperative project, is not in the culture, most of the time, of industrial projects. 74 00:10:37,120 --> 00:11:01,940 When industrial investors put one billion euros on the table, saying they want to develop a wind park, it's difficult to collect also information from small politicians, because they have a little part of the coastal area in front of this park. 75 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:08,380 And it's very difficult to build this dialogue. 76 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:23,620 And one of the interests of the Foresight approach is to help people to discuss around this table and try to build in common a project which could be acceptable by all. 77 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,220 At the heart of every solution to climate change is trust. 78 00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:32,120 Without trust, it's impossible to move forward. 79 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:37,540 Trust connects science to policy and policy to people. 80 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,340 It's what makes collective action possible. 81 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,780 But trust can be fragile. 82 00:11:44,540 --> 00:11:50,400 Social trust in science, institutions, and policies varies widely across the globe. 83 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:57,300 In some countries, misinformation has fuelled scepticism about climate science. 84 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,840 On the other hand, places like Denmark show how trust can lead to success. 85 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:16,220 Their high public trust in renewable energy projects has helped the country become a leader in wind energy, generating over 40% of its electricity from wind. 86 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:22,760 Building trust requires transparency, fairness, and inclusion. 87 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:35,420 One example of broken trust can be seen in Yellow Vest protests in France, where carbon tax was perceived as unfair to low-income communities. 88 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:42,200 To avoid this, policymakers need to ensure that climate solutions are equitable. 89 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:49,980 Our guest shares how fostering trust in renewable energy projects can transform conflict into collaboration. 90 00:12:50,600 --> 00:13:09,520 The best way to progress, from my point of view, is to try to put the expectations of all parties on the table and see how they could be, how to say, processed in a common way. 91 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,980 I give an example. 92 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:18,920 Most of the time, investors in wind parks, they want to exclude fishermen completely. 93 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:20,740 And of course, it's a conflict. 94 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:22,200 Immediately, it's a conflict. 95 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:37,140 But most of the time, it is shown in the project that most of the surface of the farm is not used by the post or by electric wires. 96 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:46,420 And it could be used for fishing also, as it is done already in several wind parks in the North Sea. 97 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:58,680 So you see, investors create an area of conflict instead of trying to find which part of the park could be allocated to fishermen. 98 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:08,340 So my point of view is just the fact that using foresight analysis, we could imagine different scenarios. 99 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:16,240 And in each scenario, the role and the responsibilities of each partner is clarified. 100 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:29,800 And we have then a demonstration that there is the possibility to cooperate instead of having a lot of conflict between the start of the park. 101 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:39,040 And I have to say, in addition to that, that when you spend time in dialogue, you save crisis and money. 102 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:45,240 Our guest highlights the complexity of projects like renewable energy parks. 103 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:48,260 There aren't just technical challenges. 104 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:50,600 They are human challenges. 105 00:14:51,620 --> 00:15:02,560 Scientific perspectivism helps us see beyond the numbers and models to the lived experience of people affected by these projects. 106 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,040 Imagine a coastal community where fishers rely on traditional fishing grounds to sustain their livelihoods. 107 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Now imagine a company proposing an offshore wind farm in the same area. 108 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:24,840 The energy developers see an opportunity to produce clean, renewable energy, but the fishers see a threat to their way of life. 109 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:32,200 At the same time, environmentalists may be concerned about how constructions may affect marine ecosystems. 110 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,280 This is where scientific perspectivism becomes invaluable. 111 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:43,620 Instead of dismissing one perspective in favour of another, it brings all of these voices to the table. 112 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:59,620 By weaving together global scientific knowledge, local expertise, and diverse viewpoints, we can identify solutions that balance energy production, ecosystem health, and community needs. 113 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:03,160 In fact, we've already seen how this works in practise. 114 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:15,960 In the North Sea, offshore wind projects have been designed with input from fishers, who help to identify areas that could be shared for fishing and energy production. 115 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:28,640 This collaborative approach not only reduces conflict, but also fosters trust between the stakeholders, ensuring the long-term success of the project. 116 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:37,460 When thinking about climate solutions, the doughnut theory created by economist Kate Raworth gives us a useful framework. 117 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:41,600 It's about finding the sweetest spot between two boundaries. 118 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:50,500 First, ecological ceiling, which represents the limits of what the planet can sustain, like climate stability and biodiversity. 119 00:16:51,280 --> 00:17:00,400 Second, the social foundation, which ensures everyone has access to basic needs like food, water, and energy. 120 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,700 If we go above the ecological ceiling, we risk environmental collapse. 121 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:11,800 If we fall below the social foundation, we create inequality and suffering. 122 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,420 The goal is to navigate between these boundaries. 123 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,920 Dr. Lacroix highlights how Renewable Energy Project can support both people and planet. 124 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:38,200 I think that we should be talking with all the stakeholders, such as tourism, scientific measures and observation, fishing, of course, sailing and diving. 125 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:49,340 All these people are interested in the fact that there is a new ecosystem which is created at 10 or 20 km from the coast. 126 00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:59,320 They should be also involved in that project, not only to produce electricity, but also to discover what could be the evolution of this structure. 127 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:15,780 I want to underline the fact that if you decide to remove this spark at the end of this activity, six months after the decision, you have nothing on the sea and nothing below. 128 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:23,260 It's a unique example of that, dealing with mass plants for energy. 129 00:18:23,260 --> 00:18:33,340 Can you imagine the time required to destroy, or well, remove a nuclear plant, for example? 130 00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:39,760 Dealing with marine renewable energy is completely different. 131 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:56,540 This is a demonstration of the fact that if you have planned the organisation of this park, and with all the partners, you should be helped in several ways instead of having a collection of conflicts. 132 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:10,600 Dealing with cooperation, which was fascinating to me, is once you have the collaboration of different people, the ignition of that gives fantastic results. 133 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:17,040 I have the experience, for example, on the aquaculture programme between France and Tunisia. 134 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:31,540 In 10 years, we were able to start from 1,000 tonnes of aquaculture in Tunisia to 20,000 tonnes, with a lot of people involved in this project. 135 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:42,920 There were initially 10 different parallel projects, and in the end we had 80% success, which is very rare. 136 00:19:42,920 --> 00:20:03,720 So, from my point of view, once you are successful in the collaboration, since the beginning, I think, since the conception of the project, you have a high rate of chance to be successful in the coming years. 137 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:24,120 So, you know, you have to provide a very special attention and care to the initial building of the project, not to wait to have a full finished project and to put it on the table as something which cannot be discussed. 138 00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:33,860 Well, once again, I will repeat that anticipation allows to save crisis and costs, which is extremely important. 139 00:20:35,020 --> 00:21:06,380 I would say that when you are preparing such a complex and long-term project, because the lifetime of a park is approximately between 20 and 30 years, which is quite long, in that time a lot of things can happen, notably the change of the different ecosystems related to the temperature evolution, and it's important to anticipate what could happen. 140 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:28,500 Once again, also, once people are involved in the process, there will be allies, there will not be enemies, and you have an objective gain to have people on your side and help you to manage this. 141 00:21:28,880 --> 00:22:00,920 We have a good example, for example, in the south of Portugal, where you had a conflict about the development of artificial reef fields and fishermen, and the key idea of the biologists had been to invite fishermen to go on the boats of the scientists and also to be allowed, the biologists, to be invited to the fishermen boats. 142 00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:19,660 And finally, it entails an excellent quality cooperation, because fishermen discovered that these artificial reefs were not against their job, but actually it was exactly the opposite. 143 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:25,080 They were helping them to gather fish and to develop new ecosystems. 144 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:42,460 So, you know, instead of having a conflict about areas, a part of the bay could have been given to the scientists and the rest given to the fishermen, they finally discovered that the whole bay could be equipped with artificial reefs for the benefit of the fishermen. 145 00:22:43,060 --> 00:22:51,240 And after 10 years of experiments, they were able to discover that the global production of the fisheries in that bay was multiplied by two. 146 00:22:51,960 --> 00:23:11,340 So, it shows clearly that when you launch cooperation, an open-minded cooperation, showing since the beginning the advantage of the different approaches, then you have a benefit to be shared by all the stakeholders. 147 00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:24,640 Dr Lacroix's career is filled with inspiring stories, but one stands out, how he turned conflict into cooperation in international aquaculture. 148 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,360 Let's hear what he's most proud of. 149 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:35,020 Well, it's difficult to say there is one precise project which has been more successful than the others. 150 00:23:35,560 --> 00:24:01,120 From my point of view, my main success, I would say, something of which I'm very proud, is the fact that in international cooperation, most of the time you start by conflicts, by positions which are very different, and people do not want to try to find a common way, they just want to defend their point of view. 151 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:17,160 And I had this experience, notably in working in the Mediterranean, as I was in charge of a program for the development of aquaculture in the sea. 152 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:26,140 And most of the time, the different countries were trying to keep their advantage and not to cooperate. 153 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:48,340 And I was able to demonstrate with a small team of experts that all the countries have a real advantage in sharing data, sensitive information about the sea, in order to share a common resource. 154 00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:51,460 And it took years, I would say. 155 00:24:51,580 --> 00:25:02,320 But at the end, we had a good team of people really convinced by the fact that cooperation was much above competition. 156 00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:13,100 And the defense of national territories at sea didn't make sense, because the sea is moving. 157 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:30,900 So it's much better when you are talking, for example, about straddling stocks, that is to say fish which are moving from one border to another one, to discuss around the table which could be the best way to manage, at the optimum, this type of resources. 158 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:40,080 It took years, I would say three years, to move from open conflict to real cooperation. 159 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:51,360 And I think it's something which initially seemed to be impossible, showed to be possible after only three years. 160 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,280 So I was very happy with that. 161 00:25:53,780 --> 00:26:01,460 Dr. Lacroix's work reminds us that big projects like Renewable Energy Park are not just about technology. 162 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:06,780 They are about people, ideas and ecosystems working together. 163 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:17,480 I would say that a wind park or any big project at sea is not only a space for producing renewable energy. 164 00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:26,940 It's the creation of a new ecosystem where all opponents can find their function and usefulness. 165 00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:28,300 How? 166 00:26:29,380 --> 00:26:35,880 Just don't put barbed wire on the sea and in the sea. 167 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,960 And listen to all the stakeholders. 168 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:45,320 All good-willing people have good ideas also. 169 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,200 Thank you for staying with us throughout today's discussion. 170 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,540 As we reflect on everything we've explored, a few key ideas stand out. 171 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:59,740 First, we've seen that climate change is not just a scientific challenge. 172 00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:04,600 It's deeply personal, social and economic. 173 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,840 It's about the future of communities, ecosystems and generations yet to come. 174 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:22,100 The urgency of the crisis demands bold actions and foresight provide us with the tools to navigate uncertainty and imagine a better future. 175 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:31,740 Second, scientific perspectivism reminds us that no single solution or perspective can fully address the complexity of climate change. 176 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:44,880 By bringing together diverse voices, scientists, local communities, policymakers, we can craft solutions that are more inclusive, practical and effective. 177 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040 Collaboration isn't just idealistic. 178 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,660 It's essential for tackling global changes. 179 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:55,020 Third, we discussed the role of trust. 180 00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:59,740 Trust in science, trust in leadership and trust in each other. 181 00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:04,320 Without trust, even the best ideas will fail to gain support. 182 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:12,420 Building trust requires transparency, fairness and a commitment to listening to those most affected. 183 00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:20,660 The Doughnut Theory gave us a framework for balancing environmental sustainability with human needs. 184 00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:30,500 Showing us how to stay within our planet boundaries while ensuring that everyone has access to the basics of life. 185 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,040 It's not just about avoiding harm. 186 00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:37,140 It's about creating a fair and thriving world for all. 187 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:44,980 Finally, Dr. Lacroix's inspiring story of collaboration reminds us that change is possible. 188 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:52,220 Moving from conflict to cooperation takes effort, but it's worth it. 189 00:28:52,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Whether it's renewable energy, aquaculture or any other global issue, working together is the only way forward. 190 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:06,200 The Earth's future will be shaped by the decision we make today. 191 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:15,160 It's a future that depends on our ability to trust, to collaborate and act with both urgency and compassion. 192 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:20,120 As Dr. Lacroix wisely said, big projects aren't just about technology. 193 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,200 They are about people, ecosystems and ideas coming together. 194 00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:32,840 Thank you for joining me today and a special thanks to Dr. Lacroix for sharing his insight. 195 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,300 Let's continue to build a future that is fair, sustainable and full of hopes. 196 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:40,620 Take care and stay inspired.